There they were at York on Thursday, the old gang-Newryman and Stamford Hill, The Castigator and Time For The Clan, with Taxi-For-Robbo tagging along.
Punters have got wise to them so, instead of starting at 100-1, they all started at 500-1-apart from The Castigator.
Robin Bastiman's four-year-old finished last, about 86 lengths behind the winner, and two places behind stablemate The Castigator, racing off a mark of 28.
The Castigator, also winless, has garnered pounds 7,000 in appearance money, from 14 appearances in races in which he has never started at less than 100-1.
But among those well beaten were Parisienne Hill (rated 25), The Castigator
( 28), Waterfront (39) and Time For The Clan (32).
The weak four among the maximum 14-runner line-up are Time For The Clan, who is rated 25, The Castigator
(28), Satwa Boulevard (26) and Cost Auditing (28).
Frontier Flight (rated 24), Genuine John (25), The Castigator
(28) and Petara (38) were all hopelessly out of their depth, with seven of their opponents rated 85-plus.
At the same time, moral concerns are inevitably activated at some level of cruel play and, in so far as punitive cruelties are the issue, the joke disparages victims and castigators
Over 16,000 people were killed by castigators
, above 130,000 fled to China.